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http://www.dnaperfection.com/indigochildren.html. It was in response to another post. I found myself answering yes to some of the questions. For example I come off as older than I am because of maturity. Also, I like leading and helping people and animals. I am shy and somewhat anti-social and can't stand those who won't get their act together. Am I an indigo? |
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I've seen quite a few people talking about "Indigo Children" on these and other forums, so thought I'd just post my 2cents, which really are a warning. I'm copying&pasting this from another post in this forum; sorry if it is a bit long - there are some links at the end that kind of summarize the whole thing.
many researchers think the entire concept of "indigo children" is a scam. While some think it is just the result of overactive imaginations trying to explain normal asocial behavior in adolescents (ie, it's not my fault as a parent that my child is asocial, and it is not their fault - actually it is a special evolutionary gift!), some believe the purpose behind the creation of the entire movement is actually more sinister - the desire to defraud thousands of parents looking for answers about their hard-to-manage children! For example, check out this article (from http://www.selectsmart.com/twyman.html) QUOTE INDIGO: THE COLOR OF MONEY by Lorie Anderson Many are excited about the upcoming New Age movie, "Indigo," written, produced, and directed by three renowned individuals who now live in Ashland - James Twyman, Neale Donald Walsch, and Stephen Simon. Appealing are the career opportunities, the camaraderie of movie-making, the promoting of spirituality and messages of peace and love. Promoters say it will stimulate the local economy and help our schools. But after examining the Indigo Child movement, and specifically the activities of co-writer/producer James Twyman, I see potential consequences for the community -- and for children. INDIGO CHILDREN The Indigo Child concept was first popularized by the book, "The Indigo Children," written by the husband and wife team Lee Carroll and Jan Tober. Carroll also portrays himself as a channeler for "Kryon," a spiritual entity who predicted the coming of the Indigo Children - will wonders never cease? The authors say that "the Indigo Child is a boy or girl who displays a new and unusual set of psychological attributes, revealing a pattern of behavior generally undocumented before." For example, they act like royalty, have difficulty with absolute authority unless given choices or explanations, are easily frustrated (e.g. when waiting in line), are not shy, have difficulty with guilt-based discipline, are non-conformist, may seem antisocial and prefer to be with their own kind, and may have social difficulties in school. I, for one, see nothing new, unusual, or unheard-of here. The Indigo Child concept may appeal especially to parents of children with mental health challenges, e.g. ADD, ADHD, autism, bi-polar disorder, conduct disorder, or a difficult temperament. Proponents target these label- and medication-wary parents. So, what is the harm in giving parents a positive spin on their children for a change -- like Indigo? Besides parents possibly foregoing beneficial, if not life-saving, treatment for children with mental or neurological disorders, some proponents of the Indigo movement infuse children with a false sense of human superiority and a bizarre paranormal identity. Mutilating science while claiming scientific proof, children are led to believe by trusted adults that they were born members of a new breed of the human race, the next step in human evolution, that their genes were somehow altered -- perhaps as a result of divine or extraterrestrial intervention, or spontaneous genetic mutation accomplished by non other than the children themselves. Some children come to believe they are endowed with extraordinary powers such as clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, healing powers, pre-birth and previous life recall, etc. Tober and Carroll tell us that Indigo Children don’t fit in and feel uncomfortable when not with other Indigos. Small wonder! Similar to the Indigo Child model, you may hear about The New Children, The Masters, Ascending Children, Star Children, Crystal or Chrystalline Children, Metagifted Children, Millennium Children, Children of the New Dream, Children of the New Times, Children of Aids (genetically altered child beings who are purportedly immune to all disease), and Super Psychic Children. Someone even wrote online about the "evil counterparts," the "End-Times Children." (I suspect it's just a matter of time before this logical progression of the ill-conceived supernatural child postulate takes on a life of its own.) James Twyman seems to prefer the terms Children of Oz or Psychic Children; and as of 10/2003, "The Mystic Children;" and as of around 1/2006, "The New Children." NOT JUST ABOUT PEACE AND LOVE Twyman, and other Indigo Child proponents, may try to shift our focus to the children’s message and mission of peace and love, but Twyman, for one, readily capitalizes on his own and children's purported paranormal abilities. Twyman sells books and Internet course based on the Psychic Children. He holds pricey Psychic Children conferences, camps, and fairs, charging about $300 for adults for the main conference. He offers an Internet course on telekinetic spoon-bending. He purportedly conversed with Jesus ("Jeshua") who revealed to Twyman through a "Divine Partnership" the "secrets of Heaven and Earth," which Twyman turned into an Internet course for required donations -- with a suggested retail value of $150. He purports to have frequently "conversed" telepathically from abroad with a Psychic Child he calls Thomas from Bulgaria, and other Psychic Children - providing more content for books and Internet courses. A "secret society" of spiritual masters called "emissaries of light" purportedly revealed themselves in the flesh to Twyman in Bosnia (before they disbanded) -- more content for courses and books. He doesn't always make a distinction in his writings between his purported mystical interactions and actual, in-the-flesh interactions. When confronted with suspected and admitted misrepresentations, he conveys that he would rather we focus on the truth of his messages than the truth of his experiences - and this seems to satisfy many people, but for others honesty is a prerequisite for credibility. In response to a question posed by a New Age organization, NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) , for an investigative report on Twyman in 1999, Twyman wrote reassuringly: "…as I have been telling those who inquire, Emissary of Light is not an organization, and I am not a guru. I am not asking for donations, and I do not seek either fame or adoration. This is not about me. It is about peace." Well, certainly Twyman has asked for and collected a wealth of donations (sometimes with a required minimum donation and collected using guilt-pressure) and fees. He says that his organization, The Beloved Community, is now a "registered church organization." He purchased 42 acres of property in the local area, (for which he solicited donations to buy), for psychic children retreats, to start a Emissary of Light type of monastery, and to house workshops for his new "Seminary of Spiritual Peacemaking." He recently announced a five-year goal of 50 churches worldwide. After graduating from the seminary, Twyman suggests graduates can work with the Indigo and Psychic Children. I believe adults are responsible for deciding what to believe, but as paranormal claims are key to Twyman's growing popularity, and income, and as he targets minors around the world, I think we owe it to the Children of Oz to pull the curtain on the wizard by scrutinizing his claims. MISLEADING REPORTS OF SCIENTIFIC PROOF Twyman reports scientific proof of several spurious claims, including that children develop ESP at his fairs after Brain Respiration (BR) training. BR was created by Ilchi Lee, aka Seung Heun Lee, founder of Dahn Centers and many other organizations. (Lee and Walsch are also affiliated). Twyman and Lee have reported that the University of California at Irvine, specifically the Center for Aging and Dementia, has researched and "confirmed" the effects of BR. However, this department at UCI tells me they have not conducted any studies on Lee's BR program, per se -- let alone confirmed its paranormal claims. OILY-SKINNED PSYCHIC CHILDREN At Twyman's psychic fairs for children, kids are persuaded to believe that sticking a lightweight spoon to their forehead is a result of psychokinetic power. The fact is that everyone can stick a lightweight spoon to their forehead if they first rub the spoon on their skin, especially the forehead and chin, coating the spoon with slightly sticky sebum. X-RAY VISION At Twyman's psychic children's fairs, parents paid for their kids' ESP powers to be tested (charging subjects is almost unheard-of in scientific research) before and after participation in Ilchi Lee's BR training. The children were asked to identify certain shapes, colors, or simple words while blindfolded. Lee shows a video at his website of blindfolded children reading books held close to the face. But, the blindfolds were provided and the tests conducted by the program's staff. Naturally, Twyman and Lee report amazing results. Magicians and paranormal investigators have continually exposed "x-ray vision" as flimflammery, e.g. perhaps the blindfolded person can see through a space between the blindfold and the nose, a pinhole in the blindfold, cloth that appears opaque but is translucent when held close to the face, or verbal cues are provided by testers or shills. Sometimes it’s a matter of working with probabilities. For example, when asked to pick a number between one and ten, the number seven is picked most often. USING HANDICAPPED CHILDREN Twyman presents severely handicapped children and young adults at his psychic children's fairs - e.g. a young woman called "Grandma Chandra," who is known for her psychic readings using an alphabet board or mental telepathy (even over the phone for a mere $100) and a six year old boy named Nicholas, who has purportedly written a book full of spiritual adult-level insights (since age three) with an alphabet board. Twyman also offers telepathically received messages from a severely handicapped boy from Japan named Koya. Telepathic powers can easily be imagined, or fabricated, especially when the purported sender is not able or available to object. Claims of telepathic powers are not hard to test and have been discredited many times. Mental telepathy is implausible, and as such, the burden of proof (or at least of solid, credible evidence) lies with the claimant. Without compelling evidence via unbiased, carefully controlled, and replicated tests, deception or delusion is fairly assumed. Facilitated Communication, whereby someone physically assists a handicapped person in using a communication device, has so often been shown to convey the thoughts of the facilitator (often unintentionally by hopeful parents) that this method simply cannot be trusted. Imagine how frustrating, if not cruel, to have someone else claim that his/her own thoughts are yours while you remain helpless to protest. Telepathic and facilitated communication engenders high risk of subjugating a helpless person's true thoughts, feelings, needs, and wishes -- and high risk of defrauding a trusting audience. SPOON-BENDING Through Ilchi Lee's Brain Respiration training and Twyman's own Internet course, Twyman teaches psychokinetic spoon-bending. Twyman says that if you can bend a spoon mentally, you can bend the world toward peace mentally, the logic of which eludes me. Magicians use several tricks and gimmicks to appear to mentally bend utensils, e.g. an invisible cut or weak spot in the shaft of the spoon, using previously fatigued utensils, utensils made with low melting point or "shape memory" alloys, sleight-of-hand to switch to a previously bent spoon, and distraction while secretly bending the metal, etc. - with new methods devised as old ones are suspected or exposed. Even the elusive mentalist Uri Geller, much admired by Twyman, was rendered inept on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show in the early 70's when the station exercised some controls against cheating, like using the station's props rather than those from Geller's own bag of tricks. (Watch a video clip of the show.) Spoonbending ala Twyman's Internet course involves sheer power of suggestion -- choose a thin metal spoon to begin with, bend it manually again and again (weakening the metal), and shake it to, as Twyman says, "use the force of gravity." Psychological yes; kinetic yes, but obviously not psycho-kinetic. In week-four, readers are instructed in the same cadence to take out a $10 or $20 bill, hold it tightly, feel how it will help children connect with each other, fold the bill in a piece of paper, put it into an envelope, and send it to Twyman's organization to pay for his Psychic Children gatherings. On his website, Twyman provides a fork-bending demonstration on video where he bends a fork without his even touching it, just by coaxing it a little bit with his finger - amazing! Amazingly deceptive, that is. Hank Lee’s Magic Factory sells online a melting fork for a costly $695. Keep those peace and love donations rolling in, folks. Click on the link from that article and you'll get a lot more links and information about the dangers of this "movement". Even "mainstream" press like USA-today have addressed the dangers behind this "movement" from http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2005...digo-kids_x.htm QUOTE Indigo kids: Does the science fly? By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY James Twyman is convinced that there's a new generation of special children among us who are psychically sensitive and spiritually evolved. Those who follow metaphysics and ancient spiritual teachings have for years quietly nurtured the belief in these kids, known as Indigo children for the deep blue color of the "auras" psychics say they see around them. Skeptics point out that there's no scientific research backing up the existence of these children, and Twyman, 43, knows that's true. "Certainly in the scientific realm, this is just a bunch of New Age nonsense," says Twyman, a writer and musician known as a "peace troubadour" in his hometown of Ashland, Ore. "But I think anyone with an inquisitive and rational mind can look at many children out there today and say there's something about them." Twyman was so inspired by Indigo children that he has co-written and produced a movie called Indigo about a girl with intuitive abilities. In the film, a fictional girl called Grace has psychic and healing powers. She senses harmful situations before they happen and feels an instant kinship with other Indigos. Tammy Glover says she sees evidence of the phenomenon in her daughters, ages 9 and 3, who she says have talked about past lives and seem to know things before they happen. Glover says her preschooler, for example, described a bathing suit in detail that Glover had purchased for her, even though she says she never told the child she was going to buy her anything. "I'm absolutely a believer," she says. Glover's daughters are both in the movie, which was filmed in Ashland using local actors, including Neale Donald Walsch, author of the best-selling Conversations with God (Penguin Group) books. In a one-day event in late January, more than 600 churches, movie theaters, schools and bookstores screened Indigo in the USA and Canada. The independent film took in almost $1.2 million, Variety says. Now the movie is available on DVD at mainstream video and other stores. The movie, along with several new books and Indigo-focused Web sites, is bringing the Indigo phenomenon to the attention of the general — and often skeptical — public. Even among believers, Indigo kids are known to exhibit some unruly behaviors similar to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder; they are often diagnosed with ADHD. Some mental health experts fear that parents may embrace the Indigo label because they don't want to believe their children have behavior problems associated with ADHD, such as resistance to authority and trouble with school rules. "The odds are that mixed in that group are a number of children who are very, very bright and astute and alert and very sensitive to picking up cues in other people," says David Stein, a psychology professor at Longwood University in Farmville, Va. But "I would not call them Indigo children. I would simply say it's a bright child who misbehaves." David Cohen, a clinical social work professor at Florida International University in Miami, agrees. "The view in medicine is that ADHD is a defect. It's a disorder," he says. "If you're a parent, the idea of 'gifted' is much more appealing than the idea of a disorder." March data from the National Center for Health Statistics say 6% of children ages 3-17 had ADHD in 2003. But believers say Indigos are special kids who have been misunderstood. "These are sensitive, gifted artists who are non-conformists and don't fit in, and that's what gets them sent to the school psychologist," says Doreen Virtue, author of the 2003 book The Crystal Children: A Guide to the Newest Generation of Psychic and Sensitive Children (Hay House Inc). Teresa Zepeda's daughter Crystal is among the case studies in Virtue's book. Zepeda, of San Antonio, says Crystal healed herself of an earache when she was 6. Zepeda says she told her to "lie down, put her hand on her ear and ask God and Jesus to heal her." Indigos may have existed in many generations. But in the past, parents may have discouraged kids from developing psychic talents, says Wendy Chapman, director of a Web site called MetaGifted.org. Twyman believes Indigo kids will play a significant role in the evolution of humanity. "It's such an important time in human evolution and our history that we need wise souls," he says. "Maybe it's possible these children are coming to save the planet." Meghan McCandless, now 11, stars in the Indigo movie, but her family is not convinced Indigos really exist. "We are from fundamentally different places spiritually," says Cameron McCandless, Meghan's mom. "There has never been any shred of evidence that I've seen to support the existence of Indigo or that phenomenon. However, there are people that we respect and admire who believe in that." make up your own mind - but make sure you know all the facts and the potential dangers: as a quick example, the purporters of this whole movement recommend blue-green algae as a "medicine" - but as all the research shows, it not only has no medically demonstrable effect, it can actually be dangerous and even fatal - check out this UC Berkley report on the topic http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/ds...GreenAlgae.php) -------------------- [center]
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Jan 13 2008, 03:00 AM
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I don't have the slightest idea if you are an Indigo. The post concerning the "Indigo: The color of money" is interesting. I would say that just because the proponent of the idea may be a little shakey, does not necessarily mean the concept is a bad one. Look at all of the demagogues, liars, and money-grubbers in the christian faiths - their existence does not disprove the premise of christianity. That said I think there is a real potential for children with social problems, ADD, and so forth, to become enamoured with the indigo child concept and not get the medical or phsychological help they need. So--- 1) The concept of Indigo Children and people may be a very good one, in spite of the actions of the ideas proponents. 2) There is a real need to get a good medical and phsychological opinion about children having problems socially and having behavioral or learning problems. These needs should not be ignored because someone wants to brag they have a special indigo child. Ed |
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Jan 13 2008, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE(edfrank @ Jan 13 2008, 04:00 AM) Hello, I don't have the slightest idea if you are an Indigo. The post concerning the "Indigo: The color of money" is interesting. I would say that just because the proponent of the idea may be a little shakey, does not necessarily mean the concept is a bad one. Look at all of the demagogues, liars, and money-grubbers in the christian faiths - their existence does not disprove the premise of christianity. That said I think there is a real potential for children with social problems, ADD, and so forth, to become enamoured with the indigo child concept and not get the medical or phsychological help they need. So--- 1) The concept of Indigo Children and people may be a very good one, in spite of the actions of the ideas proponents. 2) There is a real need to get a good medical and phsychological opinion about children having problems socially and having behavioral or learning problems. These needs should not be ignored because someone wants to brag they have a special indigo child. Ed [right][snapback]13897[/snapback][/right] good post. i personally am not too familiar with the concept beyond a couple of websites pro and against I have briefly read. However my "scam alert" sensor always goes off whenever I see some New Agey (for lack of a better term) belief being marketed not just as a belief, but with lots of accompanying merchandise, videos, seminars, accreditation, etc - all of which cost way too much money and the money from all of which go directly to the person who "discovered" the belief. Sounds way too much like scientology for my liking :blink: -------------------- [center]
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QUOTE(edfrank @ Jan 13 2008, 08:00 AM) Hello, I don't have the slightest idea if you are an Indigo. 2) There is a real need to get a good medical and phsychological opinion about children having problems socially and having behavioral or learning problems. These needs should not be ignored because someone wants to brag they have a special indigo child. Ed [right][snapback]13897[/snapback][/right] A-freakin-men! Do you know that I have actually had to deal with parents who insist their child is an "Indigo" like some kind of deranged stage mother. You should see thiese kids trying to figure out what the heck that means and try to act accordingly. Even if kids do have some ability (I happen to think every single child is an awe inspiring little miracle), do you not understand that kids want to BELONG? As someone who grew up "different" trust me, it's no picnic. My social interactions as a kid were a disaster and the majority of my time as a kid was spent alone. EVERYONE is special. Everyone has something to bring to the table. I think of the damage done to kids who were "gifted" and I could just cry. And now we're going to do this Indigo crap. I've tried to read Twyman's info. It is practically incoherent. I can find nothing in there that is substantive. Nothing useable in any meaningful way. He's constantly talking about the "information" coming forth from these kids. I have yet to see anything other than the kinds of vague platitudes and spiritual mumbo jumbo that you see from the fake mediums who "channel" archangels. Nonsense. -------------------- |
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Jan 13 2008, 10:18 AM
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Oh. I'm 16 so I probably jumped into things too fast. I only saw that one site and wikepedia.
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Jan 13 2008, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(krishna @ Jan 13 2008, 12:39 AM) I've seen quite a few people talking about "Indigo Children" on these and other forums, so thought I'd just post my 2cents, which really are a warning. ..... I've been hearing about indigo children for the past few years but didn't know anything about it as a movement. I'm glad I read INDIGO: THE COLOR OF MONEY. Thanks Krishna for posting that article. The Indigo child concept presented in "The Indigo Children," written by the husband and wife team Lee Carroll and Jan Tober sounds familiar to me. It reminds me of the premise of Arthur C. Clarke's book "Childhood's End' published in 1953. Humanity is ready to evolve into a greater race. Children begin to appear with extraordinary psychic powers and aliens come to earth to take advantage of the development. I wonder if "Kryon," the spiritual entity who predicted the coming of the Indigo Children and communicates through Lee Carroll ever read Clark's book? :) Apulia |
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Childhood's End is a fabulous book. Clark was an amazing man.
If you want to see some interesting material on theories of the next step in the evolution of man, get ahold of the movie "Humanity Ascending" by Barbara Marx Hubbard. A very rational, and yet intriguing exploration of that question. There are excerpts on Youtube, but the movie is much more comprehensive. -------------------- |
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I'll have to check out that movie Faeona. "Childhood's End" is indeed a really cool book. And don't get me wrong - I'm not totally a naysayer - I really like the idea of humanity evolving not necessarily physically but more in terms of a "psychic jump". I think the internet and information technology, which suddenly allows so many minds to be connected together and so much information to be stored "in stasis" where it can be retrieved and added-upon by millions of minds indicates a move towards a consciousness shift. However I'm wary of the "Indigo Children" movement as it seems way too much like a cult/scam for my tastes, and seriously risks traumatizing children. Of course I think any rational thinker would suspect they diagnose ADD and ADHD way too often, and medicate children way too often (might this have something to do with how children are often brought up nowadays, for example not reading much before school starts, watching lots of television, not having much "interaction" in a social environment in a sense "making" them more prone to ADHD?), but the solution is to better understand this "illness" and try to figure out how to best deal with it, prevent it, cope with it, etc - not make a huge leap saying there is no such thing these kids are really psychic super-heros and we should bow down to them.
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QUOTE(krishna @ Jan 13 2008, 10:59 PM) I'll have to check out that movie Faeona. "Childhood's End" is indeed a really cool book. And don't get me wrong - I'm not totally a naysayer - I really like the idea of humanity evolving not necessarily physically but more in terms of a "psychic jump". I think the internet and information technology, which suddenly allows so many minds to be connected together and so much information to be stored "in stasis" where it can be retrieved and added-upon by millions of minds indicates a move towards a consciousness shift. However I'm wary of the "Indigo Children" movement as it seems way too much like a cult/scam for my tastes, and seriously risks traumatizing children. Of course I think any rational thinker would suspect they diagnose ADD and ADHD way too often, and medicate children way too often (might this have something to do with how children are often brought up nowadays, for example not reading much before school starts, watching lots of television, not having much "interaction" in a social environment in a sense "making" them more prone to ADHD?), but the solution is to better understand this "illness" and try to figure out how to best deal with it, prevent it, cope with it, etc - not make a huge leap saying there is no such thing these kids are really psychic super-heros and we should bow down to them. [right][snapback]14195[/snapback][/right] OMG, I completely agree. Isn't that amazing? : ) I feel restored. -------------------- |
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Indigo or not, one has to keep 2 feet grounded with the physical form and adhere to the acceptable conduct of our society. If people feel they are Indigo I highly recommend they do what they feel is nessacary to further their spiritual side but remember you can't sky uphill all the time.
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I have had a lot of experiences in my life and I believe in a lot of things. But I personally do not feel it or believe in the concept of an Indigo Child... at least... not in the way anyone would like to hear it described. The way I see it really would be boring to most people. Just an extremely psychic child with whose purpose is to serve with those abilities. No other urge whatsoever...
Honestly, everytime I hear it the way it's talked about I invision an army of purple kids storming a town with tarot cards and torches and taking over the world. It's just another overglorified New Age term IMO. There's no other purpose it serves, except to enslave people to the thought that some great change will happen the way people want it to... I say keep putting all your eggs in one basket and you will never learn the truth to life. -------------------- ![]() Do Not Try This at Home I am an artist. I art. ... Can you imagine running Windows XP on 128 MB of RAM? That's a lot like life without faith... |
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QUOTE(krishna @ Jan 13 2008, 02:19 AM) good post. i personally am not too familiar with the concept beyond a couple of websites pro and against I have briefly read. However my "scam alert" sensor always goes off whenever I see some New Agey (for lack of a better term) belief being marketed not just as a belief, but with lots of accompanying merchandise, videos, seminars, accreditation, etc - all of which cost way too much money and the money from all of which go directly to the person who "discovered" the belief. Sounds way too much like scientology for my liking :blink: [right][snapback]13933[/snapback][/right] Thank you for speaking the truth! I too work with children and their families on many psychological issues, but am also a sensitive and am extensively familiar with "indigo" children. I agree that there are too many parents looking for answers to their chidren's behaviors in the area of "metagifted" or "indigo," when the children actually desperately need psychiatric care and love. It is frustrating to say the least and ultimately damages the child. On the other side of the argument, children can be gifted and be bored with conventional educational practices and with parents with average intelligence. I would say that in my career, I have seen this as the exception and not the norm. All children are a blessing as you said, and should be celebrated as such. Parents need to stop trying to live their own lives through their children and simply love and guide them in a positive way. This means providing psychiatric care for them when necessary. Lastly, if someone were an "indigo" they would not ask themselves if they were, they would simply know and would also know when they encountered other indigos. Indigo adults and children never seek to be recognized, are extremely compassionate, and would not welcome a label. These persons are very, very rare, and typically would not be writing books about their experiences. I'll get off my soapbox now...just had a few dozen cents to add... ;) -------------------- "Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." Confucius
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QUOTE(maruichan @ Jan 14 2008, 12:36 AM) Honestly, everytime I hear it the way it's talked about I invision an army of purple kids storming a town with tarot cards and torches and taking over the world. [right][snapback]14244[/snapback][/right] LOL You forgot the crystals around their necks. : ) -------------------- |
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QUOTE(Faeona @ Jan 13 2008, 11:15 PM) LOL You forgot the crystals around their necks. : ) [right][snapback]14324[/snapback][/right] Ooh, I had to go there: You mean like this? Honestly, there is another term I hear now almost as often as I used to hear "indigo child". There is also a term called "Star seed" except when I heard it it sounded like someone ripped off the script from the last season of Sailor Moon. So far the criteria is the following: 1) Advanced thinkers, knows more than "average person" 2) Has special powers and is the newer better race of children... like indigo children 3) Was originally from another planet 5) They don't feel they fit in so they're miserable 6) Sometimes this causes them to commit suicide 7) It was either this or for no reason whatsoever, but they came to find other starseeds... It seems to be the new movement behind Indigo Children. Edit: Oh, I forgot 8) Are not as "plentiful" as Indigo Children, are actually more rare -------------------- ![]() Do Not Try This at Home I am an artist. I art. ... Can you imagine running Windows XP on 128 MB of RAM? That's a lot like life without faith... |
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Jan 14 2008, 04:44 AM
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Excellent work all posters. See? skepticism and logical rationalism ain't that hard after all!
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Jan 14 2008, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Galapagos Duck @ Jan 14 2008, 05:44 AM) Excellent work all posters. See? skepticism and logical rationalism ain't that hard after all! [right][snapback]14462[/snapback][/right] Where have you been? There are some of us that have been looking at both sides. Please don't generalize all of us because you're bitter that not everyone wants to agree with your POV. It's rude and it's ignorant. -------------------- ![]() Do Not Try This at Home I am an artist. I art. ... Can you imagine running Windows XP on 128 MB of RAM? That's a lot like life without faith... |
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As with anything---scams will exist in every form, once something becomes POPULAR.
I personally don't think Indigo Children are a fabrication, this field is currently being studied. If you want to find out more on the subject, I would suggest everyone do their own research, but YES be warned of scams! Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet who died in 1945, must have been the author of the biggest scam every perpetrated, because he wrote books on the subject matter before his death. So why didn't we hear about Indigo Children til recently? I guess cause all the scam artist hadn't been born yet--haha! M2C |
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Do you sometimes feel wise beyond your years?
Do you have trouble conforming to the ways of society? Do you feel out of place in today's world? Do you perceive the world very differently than most people around you? Do you have strong intuition about certain things that most others do not? Do you often feel misunderstood when you try to talk to people about what's real? Are you a truth seeker? Do you feel like you were born to accomplish a special mission in life? Do you feel isolated and alone in your beliefs? Misunderstood by family? Do you feel anti-social unless you are with people of like mind? Are you emotionally sensitive? Did you have a difficult childhood? Do you often feel disempowered by too much authority? in the world of spiritualism, paganism and all things psychic, don't we all fit into that catagory then, regardless what color our auras are??? people spend too much time catagorizing, and not enough truely investigating the truth..... just a thought -------------------- Peter Griffin For President!!!
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If you've done the research, then tell us about it, 7powers. Enlighten us. I just don't believe in the definition as I know it, because it seems to be about this powerful movement of people doing non-specific things. I don't have the time or a reason to go through that much research, but I am willing to listen to what or Edgar Cayce have to say.
EDIT: If you want to know where my skepticism comes from though, a majority of it is due to the fact that most of the self proclaimed indigo children I have met are complete frauds. When it comes to New Age, I have heard way too much of one thing being said about love, light, and understanding and then the complete opposite being done. I understand not all people into New Age are like this, but the vast majority I met are -------------------- ![]() Do Not Try This at Home I am an artist. I art. ... Can you imagine running Windows XP on 128 MB of RAM? That's a lot like life without faith... |
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