[Trisha_Hill]

The reason why he thought it could be dangerous is because my people, Native Americans, strongly believe that if you disturb sacred gounds that something could follow you, like a ghost or spirit or even a demon. This same reason applies to why people aren't supposed to build something on top a Indian Burial Ground. That's why most places built on here are usually haunted. There graves are being disturbed and they basically want them to leave.
This is just what I have been taught all of my life.

[becky1979]

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Someone said on the Jersey Devil forum that it was the last PRS ever going to be shown on A&E.

Is that true? Was that the end of the show period???

I'd hate that, cause I'd miss you guys.


God bless.

RB
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I was unable to track down any info to back up this claim..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif)

This is not true at all... the team is kickin and going strong... just went on field trip #7 with them and it was great going with them in june to lake connueat.

-Becky-

[Itsadollthang]

As per Ryan moving the rocks. It did make me a bit uncomfortable watching, mainly because I felt it was risky to him and his team, but I wasn't there to make that call, he was. His job, not mine, enough said. In regards to the "infected bandage" comment though I'd like to point out something.

Christians often think they have a monopoly when it comes to doing a successful exorcism. They think that evil spirits can only be sent out using the name of Jesus et all, but actually that's far from true historically speaking. Many ancient cultures had similar rituals. The Egyptians (with the exception of Akhenaten) were anything but monotheists. They had very involved rituals for casting such things out. Sumerians, Babylonians, ditto, and I could list more, but the point is all were largely pagan societies and they had a long history of and specific rituals for dealing with negative entities.

Personally I don't think it's the religion that matters.

It's the intent, the faith, and the strength behind the words that makes the negative entity leave.

If the exorcist being Christian works for the person involved, then that's the best method, but if on the other hand the person having the problem is Pagan then likely Christian prayers with do little to remedy the situation whereas someone like Effie doing her thing just might be the best solution for this particular problem.

I absolutely do think Ryan was right to allow it if the client was comfortable with that choice. Going against any beliefs they might have most certainly would have done more harm than good. I also think he was right as a professed Christian to stay out of that ritual as his presence there and any small doubt he might have had about the efficacy as a Christian no doubt would have cast a pall on the proceedings and possibly jeopardized it.

Blessing, cleansing, exorcism, the people participating all have to be on the same page if it is going to be effective.

There can be no place for doubt when it comes to dealing with such things.

But basically saying someone Pagan can't do such a ritual just as effectively as someone who is Christian that is so just so wrong that it's not even funny. Pagan rituals for such things existed literally for thousands of years before Christianity. Effie and her crew may be doing a modern version thereof, but they do have every right to expect they will work if done with sincerity. The basis for that belief is right there in ancient history.

Christ was not the first nor the only exorcist ever to walk the ancient world. Far from it, and to claim only "he" has the power to vanquish a "demon" that's just ignoring the work of every ancient exorcist that ever existed before him. That's just really unfair. Clearly Christ was a great and powerful exorcist, but he wasn't the only one.

[canadabacon]

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Someone said on the Jersey Devil forum that it was the last PRS ever going to be shown on A&E.

Is that true? Was that the end of the show period???

I'd hate that, cause I'd miss you guys.


God bless.

RB
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I was unable to track down any info to back up this claim..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif)

This is not true at all... the team is kickin and going strong... just went on field trip #7 with them and it was great going with them in june to lake connueat.

-Becky-

That has nothing to do with them being on A&E though

[Janna]

Hi all,

Now I'm not always going to respond to criticism, because the work should speak for itself, but I really felt compelled to respond to this concern that I've read, mainly because I am touched. It shows that many of you are respectful and tolerant of other religious views and their wishes. I respect that, and therefore, I am here to give further explanation about me removing the rocks:

When I asked Brent about moving the rocks, he warned me that it could be dangerous, because there could be "good and bad down there." He never told me to not remove them. Now, this isn't me being defensive, because the bottom line is that he wasn't exactly happy when he found out that I did remove the rocks.

Brent simply advised me that it could be dangerous. Before I did anything, I told Georgia what Brent had said and I explained that I still wished to investigate the rocks by moving them. Being the owner of the property, she consented.

The reason why I moved the rocks is because both myself and Eilfie, our occult specialist, were looking for supernatural or occult markings to verify Brent's testimony.

Here is where it gets tricky. On one hand, you have someone who deeply feels spiritually that there is something supernatural hiding underneath a pile of rocks. On the other hand, I'm an investigator and I have to do my job to figure out what is going on and how to help my client. There are times on our investigations, as well as on the show, where we have to choose between faith or science (in our case, the investigative method). You all know that I am a spiritual person. I try my hardest not to offend someone's religious beliefs, but in this case, unfortunately we felt that we really needed to investigate the rocks further.

I am Native American, so I especially didn't want to upset the Elder who was coming the next day, but I did what I felt was right for the owner. I took a gamble and investigated the rocks. What I eventually found, I believe, actually helped Brent and his Elder piece together clues within their spiritual practice. They felt that the tree trunk was very significant.

I've heard it mentioned that I disregarded Brent's warnings because I didn't share his spiritual beliefs. That isn't true. This is not the first time I have gone against or offended a religion. You all recall the "Dark Man" episode where Eilfie, our pagan member, performed a banishment ritual on the pond. Being that I'm a Catholic, I received some harsh criticism within the Church and from priests that I know about "allowing" her to perform that ceremony. They found it offensive that a Catholic would allow such a practice. Even before the episode aired, I knew that I was going to be criticized by my fellow Christians. I allowed it because Helen, the client, was very fond of Eilfie and had given clearance for Eilfie to do this. I believe and trust in Eilfie, and I do NOT regret supporting her decision to perform the cleansing ceremony. Because I was a Catholic, however, I did not participate in the ritual.

Sometimes, as an investigator, you are put in situations where you can't win. Sometimes I will offend the scientific community (well actually, in my case, a lot), and sometimes, I will even offend the religious community. I actually encouraged the whole "I wish you didn't remove the rock" scene to remain in there to show that sometimes we make errors or mistakes. We are by no means perfect.

At the end of the day, I try to make the best decisions for the client and for the team. In Georgia's case, I learned this week from Katie (the daughter) that she still doesn't feel threatened in the house. And that's what's important.

Feel free to discuss...

[Janna]

Hi all,

Now I'm not always going to respond to criticism, because the work should speak for itself, but I really felt compelled to respond to this concern that I've read, mainly because I am touched. It shows that many of you are respectful and tolerant of other religious views and their wishes. I respect that, and therefore, I am here to give further explanation about me removing the rocks:

When I asked Brent about moving the rocks, he warned me that it could be dangerous, because there could be "good and bad down there." He never told me to not remove them. Now, this isn't me being defensive, because the bottom line is that he wasn't exactly happy when he found out that I did remove the rocks.

Brent simply advised me that it could be dangerous. Before I did anything, I told Georgia what Brent had said and I explained that I still wished to investigate the rocks by moving them. Being the owner of the property, she consented.

The reason why I moved the rocks is because both myself and Eilfie, our occult specialist, were looking for supernatural or occult markings to verify Brent's testimony.

Here is where it gets tricky. On one hand, you have someone who deeply feels spiritually that there is something supernatural hiding underneath a pile of rocks. On the other hand, I'm an investigator and I have to do my job to figure out what is going on and how to help my client. There are times on our investigations, as well as on the show, where we have to choose between faith or science (in our case, the investigative method). You all know that I am a spiritual person. I try my hardest not to offend someone's religious beliefs, but in this case, unfortunately we felt that we really needed to investigate the rocks further.

I am Native American, so I especially didn't want to upset the Elder who was coming the next day, but I did what I felt was right for the owner. I took a gamble and investigated the rocks. What I eventually found, I believe, actually helped Brent and his Elder piece together clues within their spiritual practice. They felt that the tree trunk was very significant.

I've heard it mentioned that I disregarded Brent's warnings because I didn't share his spiritual beliefs. That isn't true. This is not the first time I have gone against or offended a religion. You all recall the "Dark Man" episode where Eilfie, our pagan member, performed a banishment ritual on the pond. Being that I'm a Catholic, I received some harsh criticism within the Church and from priests that I know about "allowing" her to perform that ceremony. They found it offensive that a Catholic would allow such a practice. Even before the episode aired, I knew that I was going to be criticized by my fellow Christians. I allowed it because Helen, the client, was very fond of Eilfie and had given clearance for Eilfie to do this. I believe and trust in Eilfie, and I do NOT regret supporting her decision to perform the cleansing ceremony. Because I was a Catholic, however, I did not participate in the ritual.

Sometimes, as an investigator, you are put in situations where you can't win. Sometimes I will offend the scientific community (well actually, in my case, a lot), and sometimes, I will even offend the religious community. I actually encouraged the whole "I wish you didn't remove the rock" scene to remain in there to show that sometimes we make errors or mistakes. We are by no means perfect.

At the end of the day, I try to make the best decisions for the client and for the team. In Georgia's case, I learned this week from Katie (the daughter) that she still doesn't feel threatened in the house. And that's what's important.

Feel free to discuss...

It made the show more believable. It proved most investigations are a work in progress. It is somewhat symbolic not to "leave any stones unturned." Of course, you would never intend to offend....You rock!

[Spiritangel]

Can't wait for thursday to watch the Tv thing again with Ryan. I don't have nothing to watch on tv so I'm gonna watch ryan & listen to him talk.